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i think Both the application and its users play vital roles in contributing to storage costs.

I love your idea, it sounds great and good, you have an excellent mind, keep it up always

While storage is cheap and Grill’s current storage requirements are not enormous, they will be at some point in the future, and the network should find a standard practice for dealing with storage fees.

What do you think would be the optimal solution?

Feedback Request For The Future Of Content Storage

Imagine if Grill could tap into all that unused storage space sitting on phones and computers? They could create a giant storage pool by letting users contirbute their spare gigabytes. This would slash their storage costs, and users could even earn rewards, like SUB tokens....for being good digital samaritans. Of course, there are security and speed bumps to figure out, but it's a pretty cool idea to turn everyone's unused space into a massive storage solution...

Imagine if Grill could tap into all that unused storage space sitting on phones and computers? They could create a giant storage pool by letting users contirbute their spare gigabytes. This would slash their storage costs, and users could even earn rewards, like SUB tokens....for being good...

Very encouraging to read the different perspectives shared from our fellow creators. Quite a diverse range of opinions!

Just read and learnt that Grill uses CRUST - which is one of my favourite projects. Wow!

They're really pros and give back to the community... Great to see this ecosystem play.

Love CRUST! My go-to partner for storage at the moment

Another more revolutionary version.



In the event that there is no option to obtain financing to pay for storage, I think that whoever earns the most should be the one who contributes the most.







I explain:



If my week went well and I had good rewards, I wouldn't mind allocating a portion to maintaining the network.



If, on the other hand, I cannot progress on the network and on top of that I have to pay to use it, I will end up abandoning the platform.







Proposal:







Since we have a weekly ranking, perhaps the weekly top 10 could allocate a percentage of their earnings to pay storage costs, in exchange for:







1) Presitige. Perhaps the network, just as there is a verified badge, could grant another recognition badge, for example that of supporter.







2) Positioning: I believe that if a user was among the top 10 and contributed to the maintenance of the network, he would be perfectly entitled to enjoy prominent space in his publications.

Another more revolutionary version.

In the event that there is no option to obtain financing to pay for storage, I think that whoever earns the most should be the one who contributes the most.

I explain:

If my week went well and I had good rewards, I wouldn't mind allocating a portion to...

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Let's select an expiration date for each post (6 month free by default, which can be renewed later in sort of expiring list), charging in transaction fees (or energy). Crust has a 1 year free pin service for files less than 100M isn't it.

it sounds logical and seems to make sense

Interesting concept!







I like the idea of having options for storage. Web 2.0 platforms offer tiered membership: X has Basic, Premium, Premium+ which brings in revenue. Then they have advertising for free members to pay with their personal data.







Here's my take:







1) Free storage with a threshold is a good motivator. It encourages quality content creation while keeping storage costs manageable for applications. 200 SUB seems like a reasonable starting point to have your content stay on Web 3 forever! This will help weed creators just reposting HQ content created by others with just a few words or people posting memes by the dozens - it's all fun and games until you start looking at those spiraling database costs and the servers required to retrieve, process and deliver the data to the end-users. I learnt this first hand.



2) Offering a paid extension for storage below the 200 $SUB threshold is a good safety net. This caters to users who might have a lot of content or content not meeting the threshold reward limit for free storage.



3) Overall, a hybrid approach seems ideal. It balances the needs of applications and users, promoting a healthy ecosystem.



4) What about exploring other options? Maybe tiered storage plans could be offered, with different costs based on storage capacity. This would give users more flexibility depending on their needs.



5) The key operational question is therefore, how long (in days, weeks, months) will the creator have to earn those 200 in $SUB? What's the time limit?



Just my two cents! Excited to see how Grill tackles this.

Interesting concept!

I like the idea of having options for storage. Web 2.0 platforms offer tiered membership: X has Basic, Premium, Premium+ which brings in revenue. Then they have advertising for free members to pay with their personal data.

Here's my take:

Free storage with a threshold is a...

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It's very hard to decide whether the user pay or application pay? 😅

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I think the storage space should be paid for by the applications. If the idea is to attract more and more users, it seems to me that making them pay something more (stake, cost per transaction), is not a good idea. Users of traditional social networks are not used to paying for storage. I know that "if the service is free, you're the product", and the advantages of decentralization, etc., but I doubt that this matters to the average user. 

Now how applications might go about paying for storage is another matter. There are many models and it would be necessary to evaluate which one is the most convenient (some of these options I don't like, but I mention them anyway): advertisements, offer some premium features, promote in the frontend some posts in exchange for SUBs, be the beneficiary of a very small percentage of each post, etc.

I think the storage space should be paid for by the applications. If the idea is to attract more and more users, it seems to me that making them pay something more (stake, cost per transaction), is not a good idea. Users of traditional social networks are not used to paying for storage. I know...

However the model for funding hosted content works, it would be great if that hosting was automated and decentralized, you know, for your own sake.



If you can get that flow of funds onchain and sent to your hosting providers (maybe Crust as some folks are mentioning here) automatically, that takes a bunch of process and responsibility off your shoulders, and makes Subsocial much more resilient as an ecosystem.



The difficult part, as usual, is how to make the UX good when writing a post with embedded media that triggers some payment to your hosts. 

However the model for funding hosted content works, it would be great if that hosting was automated and decentralized, you know, for your own sake.

If you can get that flow of funds onchain and sent to your hosting providers (maybe Crust as some folks are mentioning here) automatically, that...

This is one of the toughest choices and will set a new benchmark for teams that want to build something in the social economy. Whatever our choices would be, it should be feasible and pocket-friendly.  I thank all the users who have provided their opinions. This is good that everyone contributes to ensure we make Grill the best.

This is one of the toughest choices and will set a new benchmark for teams that want to build something in the social economy. Whatever our choices would be, it should be feasible and pocket-friendly.  I thank all the users who have provided their opinions. This is good that everyone contributes...

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With the current rate of growth, I feel this discussion is really important as someday it will be really tough to manage storage. The current scenario speaks that this should be done by application for the next few months as we are progressing  really well and if we create a barrier to entry it will be tough to onboard new users, and as soon as we move forward we can take 50:50 route where the users and applicant pay for content storage or as the community has shared we can go through the hybrid model.

With the current rate of growth, I feel this discussion is really important as someday it will be really tough to manage storage. The current scenario speaks that this should be done by application for the next few months as we are progressing  really well and if we create a barrier to entry it...

anticipate the problem would be nice to establish thing now

It's a good idea to maintain the platform. My suggestion is to consider implementing a hybrid model wherein both the application and users contribute to the storage costs. The application could cover basic storage needs, and users would have the option to contribute as supporters. Give all creators and Stakers the option to opt-in as supporters or not. If someone chooses to opt-in, ask them what percentage of their weekly rewards they want to contribute, providing them with a range between 1% to 10%. Additionally, you can incentivize supporters with a "Top Supporter leaderboard" or "Supporter badges".

It's a good idea to maintain the platform. My suggestion is to consider implementing a hybrid model wherein both the application and users contribute to the storage costs. The application could cover basic storage needs, and users would have the option to contribute as supporters. Give all...

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As an user I don't want to think about how my posts are stored. That should be the task of my social network provider. As a blockchain user, I want that the datas stay onchain "for ever". So I would prefer to get less rewards at a certain threshold so the big earners will earn a little less without having to manage all this storage stuff !

As an user I don't want to think about how my posts are stored. That should be the task of my social network provider. As a blockchain user, I want that the datas stay onchain "for ever". So I would prefer to get less rewards at a certain threshold so the big earners will earn a little less...

Early adopter of Crust here. A fitting partnership!

A good idea could be to set up different prices for storage based on how much you use. This way, people only pay for what they need, and it's fair for everyone. Plus, every now and then, it's a good idea to check if these prices still make sense compared to what other companies are doing and how technology is changing.

A good idea could be to set up different prices for storage based on how much you use. This way, people only pay for what they need, and it's fair for everyone. Plus, every now and then, it's a good idea to check if these prices still make sense compared to what other companies are doing and how...

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The idea of users being paid by the app by sharing their storage will be much delightful... just saying.

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Innovative method, SubsocialChain! It stimulates content generation and effectively manages expenses. Thrilled to observe its influence unfold!

Crust seem me to be a natural partner for that!

I think a simpler approach might be even better for Grillapp.  Instead of making users jump through hoops to earn storage space, why not offer a base level of free storage for everyone?  This would keep things user-friendly, especially for casual users.  People who need more space can always buy it, but nobody feels forced to pay upfront just to keep their stuff.  This way, Grillapp can still make money from storage needs, but it won't feel like a paywall for basic functionality.  Ultimately, teh best choice depends on who Grillapp is trying to attract and how they want to make money, but a freemium model seems like a strong contender here.

I think a simpler approach might be even better for Grillapp.  Instead of making users jump through hoops to earn storage space, why not offer a base level of free storage for everyone?  This would keep things user-friendly, especially for casual users.  People who need more space can always buy...

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This is a really innovative approach to content storage, SubsocialChain!  It incentivizes valuable content creation while keeping costs manageable.  Looking forward to seeing how this empowers both applications and users!

I bring an idea to pay for storage, I don't know if it could work or not. It consists in creating an official automated account, something like "Grill funds for storage". That account would publish a post a day, explaining what the fund is about. Those who want to contribute, like that post. The earnings from the account are used to pay for storage and the surplus is staked, all in a transparent and automated way. If the earnings are greater than the expenditure, the stake of the account can grow and perhaps at some point it could pay for storage without the need for contributions. In order to gain stake earnings and incentivize participation, such an account could like 10 random posts each day from those who contributed to the fund the previous day. In addition, it could accept donations and/or receive an initial contribution from the team. Does this sound like something that could work?

I bring an idea to pay for storage, I don't know if it could work or not. It consists in creating an official automated account, something like "Grill funds for storage". That account would publish a post a day, explaining what the fund is about. Those who want to contribute, like that post. The...

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App providing free storage for content that gives reward is a good idea

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This is really good question for the community and everyone has posted some good response I want to thank Yung beef for posting this question.



My 2 cents 



The current model states that if the user wants to earn should stake the 2000 SUB tokens. What we can do is increase this amount to, let's say, 3000 SUB tokens.



Let's assume a user has posted X number of content in a specific week, if the number of content increases to Y, we can deduct some amount from his earned rewards that he has got from lazy staking.



The team can come up with basic and reasonable plan of How much SUB will be deducted from how many post.



I believe this will foster a positive economic cycle, motivating users to contribute more content while also reducing the application's storage expenses.



This is really good question for the community and everyone has posted some good response I want to thank Yung beef for posting this question.

My 2 cents

The current model states that if the user wants to earn should stake the 2000 SUB tokens. What we can do is increase this amount to, let's...

Maybe a mix of both.  For those who don't have X number of SUB locked would have to pay to keep content longer, those with more than X should have content kept stored indefinately.

Your proposed model is an interesting hybrid approach:

This could be a good way to encourage user engagement and content creation. It incentivizes users to actively participate in the app to earn free storage for their content. This can be a good strategy for applications where user-generated content is a core value proposition.



Here are some things to consider with your proposed model:

- Sustainability: The application needs to ensure that the reward system for storage is sustainable in the long term. If too many users reach the free storage threshold, it could become a financial burden.



- Fairness: It's important to ensure the reward system is fair for all users, regardless of their activity level. Perhaps offer a base level of free storage for everyone and then have the reward system provide additional storage for high-engagement users.



- Alternative Monetization: Consider if there are other monetization strategies to complement the reward system. This could help offset the cost of storage even if users don't reach the reward threshold. Perhaps some users agree to see advertising in exchange for having the free platform.



Here are some additional ideas:



- Tiered Storage with Paid Options: Offer a mix of free storage with limited capacity and paid storage plans with increased capacity. This caters to users with different needs.



- Temporary Storage with Paid Extension: Allow users to store content for free for a set period, like 6 months in your example, and then offer a paid option to extend storage indefinitely.





Your proposed model is an interesting hybrid approach:

This could be a good way to encourage user engagement and content creation. It incentivizes users to actively participate in the app to earn free storage for their content. This can be a good strategy for applications where user-generated...

The best choice depends on who uses the app and how this platform wants to make money like offering an in-app purchases for specifc storage needs. Say allow users to purchase storage  specific conent types like videos, instead of blanket paid plan?

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Feedback Request For The Future Of Content Storage

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